Oil Sector Investment

Page 2 of 4 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/29/2009, 22:57

I said hydroelectric.
But hydrogen is the way to go.
Do some reaserch befor you start bashing it ABL
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 10/30/2009, 16:02

PoWn3d_0704 wrote:I said hydroelectric.
But hydrogen is the way to go.
Do some reaserch befor you start bashing it ABL

I don't bash hydrogen, but it has a lot more drawbacks then other alternatives. And I have researched it, extensively. The main drawbacks of hydrogen are:

-The size of the hydrogen molecule is so small, almost no materials currently known can contain it without leakage.
-In pressurized form, it is extremally unstable, and prone to explosions.
-Electrolysis is to ineficient right now, it would be better to use the electricity directly, rather than use it to seperate water.
-In any form, is extremally flammable.

However, it does hold a lot of hope for converting of interal-combustion engines since it requires very little modification to the engine. However for this, I think it would be better to make the hydrogen first, then put it in the vehicle. Unless some brakthroughs in electrolysis are made.

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/30/2009, 16:57

That's how they do it. You fill the car with hydrogen.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/31/2009, 09:52

Pown think all over the board for the renewable energy not just one energy.

Cpt. Crinkle
Shot First

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 1219
Sector 2

USO

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 11/1/2009, 13:19

PoWn3d_0704 wrote:That's how they do it. You fill the car with hydrogen.

Ah, well that's the way that holds the most potential as we stand right now. Wink

@Crinkle: He is, he's just discussing Hydrogen right now.

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/1/2009, 23:28

........................... Evil or Very Mad Crinkle....
I
AM
SIMPLY
STATING
THAT
HYDROGEN
IS
THE
WAY
TO
GO
.....
BECAUSE
IT
IS!

@ABL, Yes, you would think that dumping hydrogen into a car would be the way to go, but i looked, and BMW is actually the first car company to produce a car with hydrogen as a fuel.

Now get this, it is a 12 cylinder machine that can go in excess of 180 MPH, with a 0-60 time of 4.9 seconds.
My Honda clarity still uses a hydrogen fuel cell, but i have no idea why.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/2/2009, 19:59

Are you only going to talk about Hydrogen? Since there is plenty of other energy sources.

Cpt. Crinkle
Shot First

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 1219
Sector 2

USO

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/2/2009, 21:53

........................... Evil or Very Mad Crinkle....
I
AM
SIMPLY
STATING
THAT
HYDROGEN
IS
THE
WAY
TO
GO
.....
BECAUSE
IT
IS!

........................... Evil or Very Mad Crinkle....
I
AM
SIMPLY
STATING
THAT
HYDROGEN
IS
THE
WAY
TO
GO
.....
BECAUSE
IT
IS!

........................... Evil or Very Mad Crinkle....
I
AM
SIMPLY
STATING
THAT
HYDROGEN
IS
THE
WAY
TO
GO
.....
BECAUSE
IT
IS!
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 11/3/2009, 20:23

I wouldn't go so far as to say it's the best. I think a lot more study needs to be done. I personnaly like electric better, but currently it's really not very "green". But if we can find a way to get hydrogen to work efficiently, then heck, I'm all for it.

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Sgt Angry Egg on 11/3/2009, 21:32

I say we forsake energy. Go back to living in fire heated huts, living off of roots and berries and dying of horrible diseases due to a lack of hospitals and thus effective medical care. Smile
avatar
Sgt Angry Egg
The Voice of Reason

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 456
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/3/2009, 22:52

I'm in.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/4/2009, 16:14

Well for now I don't think hydrogen is the best because it's so expensive. We should start with solar since it is one the cheaper alternatives right now. People can put it on their roofs and have a start to renewable energy.

Cpt. Crinkle
Shot First

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 1219
Sector 2

USO

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/4/2009, 21:22

No, actually solar is fairly inefficient, costs a TON compared to the energy turnout, they break very easily, and the will become obsolete, thus a waste of money. They leak like crazy (have a friend) and provide NO power.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/5/2009, 16:16

Yes but solar is what we have that works as energy. This is a clean system of energy. Hydrogen takes lots of money so it works but it's expensive.

Cpt. Crinkle
Shot First

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 1219
Sector 2

USO

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 11/5/2009, 21:51

PoWn3d_0704 wrote:No, actually solar is fairly inefficient, costs a TON compared to the energy turnout, they break very easily, and the will become obsolete, thus a waste of money. They leak like crazy (have a friend) and provide NO power.

I'm not sure what application you are specifically reffering too. But actually in general, solar is very efficient, very relieable, provides decent power, and is developing rapidly in tech to make it even better. BUT it is crazy expensive, and prolly will never work for vehicles directly.

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/5/2009, 22:33

No, never. The thing is...

NONONONNO... i had an amazingly long post about this... but my PC bluescreened.... ima type it in a word document Smile and copy and past it in here.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 11/5/2009, 22:37

PoWn3d_0704 wrote:No, never. The thing is...

NONONONNO... i had an amazingly long post about this... but my PC bluescreened.... ima type it in a word document Smile and copy and past it in here.

Okay? But I think soar is FANTASTIC for buildings. But not for vehicles, to put it basically.

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/5/2009, 22:41

You'll see. I'm going to type it in 3rd period tomorrow. It's more like an essay.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/6/2009, 12:16

It's 3rd Period... Basically, Hydrogen is much less dense than gasoline or water. Hydrogen in it's liquid form has a density of about 0.07 g/cc. Water is 1 of course, and gasoline comes in at about 0.75 g/cc. This means smaller and lighter fuel tanks. A 100 pound tank of gasoline can be replaces with a 35ish pound tank of liquid hydrogen, as still output the same distance or power or whatever it is.

Hydrogen is also much more explosive. Which is good for power, but really crappy if you get rear ended.... Shocked

Other than that, the way they use it to directly power a car is no different than how they would power a normal car.
It is a solution with hydrogen in it, to keep it more stable, and not straight hydrogen.

Plus, in theory, Hydrogen isn't even flammable. Just combustible with the slightest pressure Smile

I'll write the rest of this when i get home.... it's lunch.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 11/6/2009, 12:27

Yes, everything you said about Hydrogen is completly true, especially the explosives bit. Shocked But yeah, I think it's the best annwer for converting existing cars to alternative energy, since as you say, it requires almost no change. (Although for peak efficieny the motor tolerances (gaps between moving parts) do need to be made tighter, to allow less hydrogen to escape.) But a normal engine will still run right off Hydrogen, with no upgrades.

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/6/2009, 18:09

Nah, it's liquid hydrogen. It will work just fine as it is. A pressurized fuel take and a special gas cap and accessories with a few knew hoses and possibly a different set of injectors/pumps, depending on what the type of car is.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  0001 on 11/7/2009, 12:59

OH! Now I thought you were reffering to Hydrogen gas. Yeah, liquid Hydrogen is another story. Laughing

_________________
"Don't use foul or abusive language. Let everything you say be good and helpful, so that your words will be an encouragement to those who hear them." -Ephesians 4:29, NLT
avatar
0001
Executive Director

Executive Director
Location : Junction City, Oregon
Posts : 4037
Sector 2

Central Command

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/7/2009, 14:53

John the liquid hydrogen takes more enery to use than it puts out.

Cpt. Crinkle
Shot First

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 1219
Sector 2

USO

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/7/2009, 18:04

Crinkle.. You have no idea what an idiot you sound like...

Perhaps you don't realize how scientific forums work....
Typically you need to give numbers, data, proof, SOMETHING to make us believe you.
I will wait for a link to prove
your point.
avatar
PoWn3d_0704
The Voice of Insanity

E1 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 963
Sector 2

SED

Back to top Go down

Re: Oil Sector Investment

Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/7/2009, 19:58

It's called wikipedia. And yes I would trust it unless the information there is a note on top of the page.

Cpt. Crinkle
Shot First

A6 Standard
Location : Sector 2
Posts : 1219
Sector 2

USO

Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 4 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top

- Similar topics

 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum