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Post  80-0 on 4/26/2010, 13:42

I found this in my drafts and I just thought I'd post it. Razz



Wait, what changes to the constitution did Bush make?

FYI you can't blame Bush for his deficit; it was incurred under a Democrat congress, for the sole reason of being bi-partisan. Bush was just a nice guy in that regard, but alas not a conservative, and in that regard he folded to socialism, which I reject in any event.

It rose under Obama because Obama was running literally against the Constitution.

Listen carefully: this is what would've made Obama's healthcare Constitutional. If he made the plan entirely optional, but made it dirt cheap. That way, if people thought it's a good idea, they'd get on board. And if a government insurance company would truly bankrupt itself, then it would send itself out of business, because the taxpayer's dollar can in no way fund an insurance company IN ADDITION TO the government in all its facets.

But he doesn't want people to get on his plan voluntarily, he wants them to be forced onto Medicare, which is already going broke, and will now go broke twice as fast. The point is, the government cannot force its citizens to do anything. The government can throw an idea out there, sorta like for a test run to see who likes it, but they cannot Constitutionally mandate it.

The reason people are fired up is because they oppose this mandate by the government to do what the government wants. Really, why stop at healthcare? The government can, by Obama's logic, mandate what cars you can buy (or even what cars can be sold! imagine that), mandate what clothes you can wear, what food you can eat, and on and on and on.

The Constitution gives you LIBERTY to choose from all of these things what you prefer, not to force on you what Obama prefers.

And if that is not reason to have hundreds of thousands of millions of Americans rise up in peaceful protest, I don't know what is.

THAT'S RIGHT, I SAID IT. PEACEFUL PROTEST. All this stuff flying around about "ohhh angry mobs ohhh rabid right wing extremists" is utter dreck. You go to a Tea Party, the only person protesting loudly and acting disorderly is the liberals who are protesting the Tea Party's very existence.


Look, I question whether or not Nancy Pelosi was born on this planet. I mean, look at her! Those little ping-pong balls she calls eyes could pop out at any moment... you never know.

The so-called birther movement of a few thousand, or even a few hundred (because I seriously doubt, considering the LACK OF PROOF, HELLO, *LACK* *OF* *PROOF*, that there are any more of these), is just people using their free-speech rights. Just because he's our president doesn't mean OOOOhhhh ooh, hands off, can't say anything bad about him, newp! That certainly wasn't the case under Bush, a relatively middle to right president if I might say so.

Why all the hate on the so-called militia members? Americans can freely own guns, and as such can join together with like-minded citizens to defend themselves against any instance of lawbreaking, provided it is directly targeted at them.
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Post  0001 on 4/26/2010, 23:39

I'm not blaming Bush at all, he's one of my favorite presidents of all time actually. Agree with Beck? Me? from what I've heard I agree with nothing he says.

I used to be a Palin fan, but lately she strikes me as an air head and diva. Idk, her personality is just a turn off for me. Her politics are okay, but I've seen better. Wink

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Post  Jedi Joe on 4/27/2010, 04:56

Yea, Bush is the only good president we've had in my lifetime... Razz

Idk, ABL, you and Beck agree on a lot. You both are Christians, you both are against socialized healthcare, you both aren't affiliated with any party, ect. ect.
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Post  80-0 on 4/27/2010, 12:56

astoriabluelegos wrote:I'm not blaming Bush at all, he's one of my favorite presidents of all time actually. Agree with Beck? Me? from what I've heard I agree with nothing he says.

I used to be a Palin fan, but lately she strikes me as an air head and diva. Idk, her personality is just a turn off for me. Her politics are okay, but I've seen better. Wink

This YouTube channel has a lot of Christian stuff, both in regard to news stories relating to Christianity, as well as several from Beck which you should watch (just type "Glenn Beck" in the little search bar within the channel).
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Post  0001 on 4/27/2010, 16:14

I would argue about Beck's faith. It's not very Christian to do the scandelous figner pointing and fear mongering he has been doing. A lot of Republicans say they are "Christian" but don't act it. I mean I know that I will prolly be seeing Beck in heaven. BUT being saved and living as a Christian are two different things. Beck would have to improve a lot for me to respect him.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 4/27/2010, 18:28

He doesn't point the scandalous finger. He can be perceived as harsh towards FDR and Woodrow Wilson because of the way the media praises them.

He only evaluates the facts, and he always cites his sources.
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Post  80-0 on 4/27/2010, 19:35

Enough about the "fear mongering". Fear is not a bad thing... we fear God, and rightly so, because at any moment He could end our existence. We recognize that He is greater than us and so we fear him.

Unforch, we fear the government who's been playing god themselves, trying to insert themselves into our lives and show us the proper way to live. We don't want that at all and we fear the wrong people with the wrong power, which is exactly what this administration is.

The reason Beck "preys on these fears" is because the left would have you believe there's not a thing wrong with what Obama's doing, and there's no reason to be afraid. He only reminds us of how wrong these people are by showing us how they have failed in past history.

As for scandalous finger pointing, can I see a clip of this happening? Or just explain what you mean by that, because I watch MSNBC almost every day, and boy oh boy, their collective finger is pointed straight at Fox News and conservatism in general...
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 4/27/2010, 19:48

Just to put it this way there is no "good" president as you say. Everyone has their own opinions on leaders so he may have been a "good" leader to you but I didn't like him.

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Post  0001 on 4/27/2010, 22:24

That vid you showed me about how he slanders FDR. The propblem is, his interpretation of the facts is askew, and what he says misses greater contextual details neccesary in reaching and educated outcome. So theoretically he is correct from a certian point of view, his own, but it's all about perspective.

Yes but isn't that a governments job? Without regualtion, without control, the country collapses, people are incapable of operating without a government. Psycologically it just won't work. We need a strong stable democratic governement to control the country, or else face uncotrolled anarchy and martial law.

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Post  80-0 on 4/28/2010, 13:26

You're confusing a "strong and able government" with the iron fist of statism. The statist uses the state to control you, by slowly forcing you to act the way it chooses. I've typed tomes about this: the government is here to, as you say, keep us from falling into anarchy. Right now, we're nowhere near anarchy, but we're very near a Marxist utopia dystopia.
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Post  0001 on 4/28/2010, 23:40

I would argue that we are far away from any sort of utopia. The whole bit where everyone is calling anyone with different views "communist" or "socialist" is getting old, these slanders harken back to the cold war era. There is no secret subversive socialist or communist plot. These people are simply trying to do what they percieve is best for the country. Often times they are wrong in those perceptions, but they arn't communists. Some of what they're doing actually makes sense, at least in principle. Although I do wish they would go about inacting it in different ways....

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Post  80-0 on 4/29/2010, 08:45

No, the sad truth is that Obama does not think nationalizing the health insurance industry will be the best for this country. Another even more recent book is Catastrophe, by Dick Morris and Eileen McGann.
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Post  0001 on 4/29/2010, 22:26

Actually he obviously does, otherwise he wouldn't have done it. He's not a conspiracy, he's just a guy trying to do his job as best he sees fit. Just sometimes his perspective is off. It's a rough job after all.

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Post  80-0 on 4/30/2010, 09:41

You're exactly wrong. He obviously wants to fundamentally reshape this country, and make it so that it can never again function as the greatest nation on earth.

You have to understand: if you think he's doing this with good intentions, you're saying he's an idiot. He is not an idiot... "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" as they say.

It's simply too convenient... the tactics he uses are just like what past socialists have used... the policies (huge spending agenda, nationalization of industry, etc.) are just like what past socialists have used... his tactics are right out of Saul Alinsky's book, Rules for Radicals, and his policies are right out of the Communist Manifesto.

So clearly, both he, his staffers, and his hundreds of congresspersons are all idiots and fools because they're too stupid to realize that what he is doing is directly associated with the policies of Marx and the tactics of Alinsky. Which makes absolutely no sense.
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Post  0001 on 4/30/2010, 14:06

No, I think what he is doing is what all past LIBERALS have done. I've read this so called "Communist Manifesto" and I believe it to be false doctrine, a conspiracy doctrine with no actual weight. He is not a communist, nor a socialist, that's just what the idiotic republican idealists have been shoving down your throat because they're all just a bunch of little children calling names, and refusing to cooperate if they can't have their way. This whole communist socialist garbage is just another form of throwing mud, I imagine these are the same brains who spearheaded the McCarthy trials back in the day. The same paranoa and foolishness runs deep in the camp it seems.

I think the country does need to be fundamentally changed, look how messed up the entire system is. People are starving, and CEOs are getting huge bonuses for running their banks into the ground. Healthcare providers are reaping in huge profits at our expense. Idiocy, fear, and greed rule the day. The economy is slumping because of mismanagement and a lack of forsight and regulation, and money is being thrown away as if it's valueless. And if that's not bad enough, we have the spend spend spend, pro abortion pro gay rights, pro sin dems in power and opposite them the party of NO with it's conspiracy theories, paranoia, and double standards. The system needs a fundamentalt overhaul or the United States will fall.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 4/30/2010, 17:21

Our country needs to be fundamentally transformed, but we need to return to our free-market values. We haven't been there for a long time,
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Post  0001 on 5/1/2010, 21:05

Actually we need limited free market. A TOTALLY free market allows greedy people to make greedy decisions. Before every deppression ro reccession we've had, we always have a period of expontential growth, low government interferance, and a lassaiz faire attitude. Then greed takes over, and the whole thing collapses. The fact is, everything we have is finite, and we cannot rely totally on a growth-oriented market, because reality cannot support constant growth, since everything is finite.

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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 5/2/2010, 15:00

What we need is anarchy or totalitarianism.

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Post  0001 on 5/2/2010, 23:35

Oh yes cuz that's totally the way to go, China FTW...... Laughing

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Post  80-0 on 5/3/2010, 18:15

astoriabluelegos wrote:No, I think what he is doing is what all past LIBERALS have done. I've read this so called "Communist Manifesto" and I believe it to be false doctrine, a conspiracy doctrine with no actual weight. He is not a communist, nor a socialist, that's just what the idiotic republican idealists have been shoving down your throat because they're all just a bunch of little children calling names, and refusing to cooperate if they can't have their way. This whole communist socialist garbage is just another form of throwing mud, I imagine these are the same brains who spearheaded the McCarthy trials back in the day. The same paranoa and foolishness runs deep in the camp it seems.

Marx is a liberal, Hitler is a liberal, Stalin is a liberal, Mao is a liberal, I'm sorry but it's just true. I'm surprised at how angry you are at the Republican Idealists. Most nametag "Republicans" aren't saying that. They're sitting down and shutting up and not saying anything that might be deemed "controversial". It's not throwing mud. I guess we ought not call the crazy little dictator in Iran a potential nuclear threat because it's mudthrowing... D:

I think the country does need to be fundamentally changed, look how messed up the entire system is. People are starving, and CEOs are getting huge bonuses for running their banks into the ground. Healthcare providers are reaping in huge profits at our expense. Idiocy, fear, and greed rule the day. The economy is slumping because of mismanagement and a lack of forsight and regulation, and money is being thrown away as if it's valueless. And if that's not bad enough, we have the spend spend spend, pro abortion pro gay rights, pro sin dems in power and opposite them the party of NO with it's conspiracy theories, paranoia, and double standards. The system needs a fundamentalt overhaul or the United States will fall.

No, you don't understand what got us into this mess. The Constitution and what this country was founded on did not get us into this mess. A twisted re-branding of our founding at the hands of liberal politicians got us into this mess. We haven't been following our founding, and thence is our demise.

astoriabluelegos wrote:Actually we need limited free market. A TOTALLY free market allows greedy people to make greedy decisions. Before every deppression ro reccession we've had, we always have a period of expontential growth, low government interferance, and a lassaiz faire attitude. Then greed takes over, and the whole thing collapses. The fact is, everything we have is finite, and we cannot rely totally on a growth-oriented market, because reality cannot support constant growth, since everything is finite.

What we need is to regulate the growth-oriented market. Too much regulation = bad, too much market = bad. As you have rightly said before, a balance of both is what we need.

But liberals, alas, will have none of this "free market" nonsense because to them, it means they can't get handouts and free rides from the government, because the government, to them, is a cash magnet through which they incentivize corruption.
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Post  0001 on 5/4/2010, 00:43

Actually it's not so much not following our funding, as simply following our greed. The market can be manipulated by greed easily, and people tend to like spending money they don't have. That is the core root of our problems.

And yes that's true, over regulation can be a very bad thing. Although right now I'm not seeing anything as far as financial regulation that really is too restrictive...yet. We'll have to wait and see what happens on that one I think. There are a lot of greedy people in very powerful positions that will be very opposed to any sort of change that would limit them.

Not really, Mudthrowing is totally unconstructive and is simply an attack on the persone themselves, often involving shaky facts and sources, and serving no productive purpose. The deal with Iran is not mudthrowing because it addresses a real issue.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 5/4/2010, 04:35

Yea, I think the government should have some financial regulation...

I mean, we're bailing out banks and all these companies when we can be using it to finish the wars we're in... Mad
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Post  80-0 on 5/4/2010, 16:02

astoriabluelegos wrote:Actually it's not so much not following our funding, as simply following our greed. The market can be manipulated by greed easily, and people tend to like spending money they don't have. That is the core root of our problems.

Yes. Smile

And yes that's true, over regulation can be a very bad thing. Although right now I'm not seeing anything as far as financial regulation that really is too restrictive...yet. We'll have to wait and see what happens on that one I think. There are a lot of greedy people in very powerful positions that will be very opposed to any sort of change that would limit them.

The thing is high taxes on businesses. What happens is that the normal people doing the normal jobs in the business foot the bill, i.e. normal people with the jobs we so dearly need, and the CEOs and big names in the business pay nothing, and tend to get bonuses. Now the Democrats are supportive of the CEOs and big names getting the bonuses because they get more revenues, but they also attack them and pretend to be opposed to the bonuses, when in fact they want to nationalize that particular business.

Not really, Mudthrowing is totally unconstructive and is simply an attack on the persone themselves, often involving shaky facts and sources, and serving no productive purpose. The deal with Iran is not mudthrowing because it addresses a real issue.

And whether or not our president has connections to terrorists, anti-Semites, and those who are opposed to the success of America is not a real issue?
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Post  0001 on 5/4/2010, 21:53

No, it's not. Because anyone with even a shred of common sense would realize that those are all conspiracy theories and paranoia brougt on simply because of our subconscience predujuce against people of color. Notice that NEVER has a white president had such an uproar or theories? It's really all about race, even if we realize it or not. I mena honestly, the president has to go through a ton of screenings and such, there is no way ANY of those idiotic theories could possibly have ANY thread of truth.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 5/5/2010, 11:20

Obama has been in reverend Wright's church for over 20 years.

Obama even said he's good friends with William Aires, the head of Weather Underground.

Obama's science adviser, John Holdren, believes in poisoning water for population control.

Van Jones, a former czar for Obama, is a self-admitted communist.

You do the math, ABL.
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