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Post  0001 on 3/19/2010, 12:08

Why can't our government work? Is that really to much to ask? It reminds me so much of the senate by the time of the Jedi Purge, which is not a good thing. The similarities should not be ignored. Both our parties are flawed and corrupt. The Dems with their constant walmart agenda, shoving their ideals and falsehoods down our thorats with ever greater velocity, and when we choke trying to get around us entirely through back door methods. Do these people have no honor? Meanwhile through all the bickering and fighting, the government stagnates, and the economy crashes becasue of our poor choices, and lack of vision. The biggest problem with America is our apparent inability to see the future, and predict consequences. And when those consequences inevbitably happen, that everyone is so busy finger pointing that the perpetraitors get off unscathed.

And then of course there is the party of No. To busy with their with their many mistresses and their "Christian Morals" based decisions that they simply say no to everythign that comes their way. And then whine and complain when people ignore them, go figure? So blinded by their principles, principles I might add, that apparently they are only allowed to stick ot on record, that they fail to comprehend the issues at hand. And then theirs the whole Tea Party, bread out of the Republican idiocy, who doesn't really know what they stand for, or really what's going on at all, but have their guns ready to stand by what's theirs. You have got to be kidding be people... Rolling Eyes

Whatever happened to the days when we worked together as ONE party? The American party. We get so caught up in our own agendas, and the agendas of our parties, that we fail to see both sides of any issue. Why can't we work together and compromise? Don't say we've tried that, because we havn't. That whole press conference series that took place earlier was a joke, neither side, especially the No party, came to that with any genuine mindset to try and view the other's point of view.

We need to come together as one people, forming these little pockets of sube groups isn't going to work. A house divided cannot and will not stand. For the sake of the country lets work together people! Democrats, stop your idiocy and your freight train agenda, and slow the kriff down. Republicans, stop your war mongering and saying no to everything. We are all one people here! If we fail to make amends, then the likes of people such as the tea party stand as a major threat to this republic. A few more arms, and a diligent leader, and America could fall. And who would it be replaced by? the likes of the birthers and the ultra radical conservatives. If they actually FOLLOWED all the beliefs they so willignly preach to others, that might not be so bad. But they don't, they are just as blind and foolish as the rest. C'mon people, lets save America.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 3/19/2010, 12:20

Glenn Beck had an episode about this over a year ago, when the started the 9/12 project. We, as Americans should go back to our core values. We aren't a true free market system anymore, we haven't been one for some time, because the government has had their hand in the private industry.

Americans should unite as we did the day after 9/11, and realize that we as a people are strong, and that regardless of our party, we all need to care for our country.
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Post  0001 on 3/19/2010, 12:30

Yes, that is exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. Although true free-market is flawed because the market is driven by greedy people, and it eventually crashes. When we get less regulation of large corporations, they make dumb decisions. This reccession and the Great Deppression are both results of that. But that's just a minor detail.

The fact is, we DO need to get back to our core values, and more importantly, we need to actually FOLLOW them. We are all Americans, the whole party thing makes us forget that sometimes I think, even though I fully realize the neccessariness of the party system for balance-of-power principles.

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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 3/19/2010, 16:03

I am becoming sick of both parties anymore. Arguments of issues really split people. We should try to work as one and not a separate groups against each other.

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Post  80-0 on 3/20/2010, 12:07

Well just remember, if it's a one party system, that will turn into anarchy. Communism is a one party system. Communism preyed on the people being fed up with the bowels of bureaucracy taking over a once strong democracy. It offered one leader who would represent the entire nation and give everyone what they wanted. Of course quite the opposite happened, but I digress about Communism.

We need to remember that it is not the parties that are doing this, it is the politicians. I think it would be very effective if all the politicians in the House and Senate were immediately thrown out of office, and a special election was held in each of those 660 something seats. I think Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank wouldn't be there after that...

And that would be a perfectly democratic thing to do! This Congress has even lower approval ratings now than under Pres. Bush (when their app. ratings were lower than HIS defamedly low app. ratings), so why not let the people decide? Ya'll are worried about the Tea Parties ruining everything, well, there's a democratic solution. Am I right, or am I right?

The two parties have kept this country on the straight path all these several hundred years. It would be disastrous to converge them into one American party for reasons stated above. Different people have different ideologies, and thus a person with a socialist ideology wouldn't want to vote for a conservative, and a capitalist ideologue wouldn't vote for a liberal. That is why the two-party system is perfect: it is absolutely fair and democratic, and puts the people in control.

Another thing to consider is term limits for Senators. Career politicians ought not be controlling what goes on in this nation.
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 3/20/2010, 22:20

Term limit for senators good idea.

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Post  0001 on 3/23/2010, 11:04

I agree 80-0, the two party system is neccesary to ensure an equal balance of power, and a single party system would fail. I just wish they could work together better. And yeah term limits would be a fantastic idea, it's the corrupt politicians that reign forever and ever that are one the biggest root of the problems.

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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 3/23/2010, 18:16

Go Communism.

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Post  0001 on 3/24/2010, 00:01

How about NOT.... Wink

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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 3/24/2010, 20:34

You cannot have an argument without Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh mentioned can you?

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Post  80-0 on 3/25/2010, 06:02

Fine, I'll have an argument and only mention Mark Levin. Razz
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 3/25/2010, 14:56

Mention nobody else but your own opinion in an argument. We each can develop opinions and you are only following people who are nothing but swift talkers and considering nothing of your own thoughts.

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Post  80-0 on 3/25/2010, 15:10

Only thing is, my thoughts ARE their thoughts.
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 3/25/2010, 21:32

Create your own since you are so blinded by one side of politics by following a few guys. I disagree with my party many a time and it sounds like you never disagree with your party.

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Post  0001 on 3/25/2010, 22:08

Cpt. Crinkle wrote:Create your own since you are so blinded by one side of politics by following a few guys.

Amen, we need to open our minds and think for ourselves.

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Post  80-0 on 3/26/2010, 07:44

You're blaming me for disagreeing with my party? It's MY party because the people in MY party share MY ideas. That's why I am in MY party.

Saying you disagree with your party doesn't make your party or your party's ideas look very good. I quote from and mention my party members because I think they are right and I want other people to hear what they have to say. Of course, quoting from other people is not all I ever do. I certainly do form my own thoughts about matters using the information which I have accepted as factual.
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Post  Jedi Joe on 3/26/2010, 08:07

astoriabluelegos wrote:
Cpt. Crinkle wrote:Create your own since you are so blinded by one side of politics by following a few guys.

Amen, we need to open our minds and think for ourselves.

So you mean I can't agree with Glenn Beck, Mark Levin, or Rush Limbaugh? I believe in American freedom, and the conservative approach is the best way to achieve it.
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Post  80-0 on 3/26/2010, 09:00

No Joe, every man has to think for himself. And once that happens, we'll live in a thorough anarchy, because no two men would think alike or agree in even a one of their opinions because they're too busy thinking things that other people aren't thinking. Rolling Eyes
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Post  Jedi Joe on 3/26/2010, 10:09

Yea, exactly... Wink
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Post  0001 on 3/26/2010, 12:12

No you can agree with them but don't always follow everything they say unquestioned. Basically listen to what they say, think about from your perspective, and most importantly think about it from God's perspective. Also take into account reality, and especially context. If you find yourself agreeing with someone 100% of the time, be worried, because no one is that perfect except God. Wink

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Post  80-0 on 3/26/2010, 15:26

Unless of course God is, without overtly proclaiming it in the streets, working THROUGH them and putting the words in their mouth as he did with the evangelists and prophets. The only difference here is that the evangelists and prophets were spreading the Word of God, and this is a political discussion. However, He could well be doing that through anyone on this earth, and we'll never know until we reach Heaven.

Heaven is sorta like the end of a mysterious TV show, where you get all the answers and (granted it's a very good TV show) happiness. Razz
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Post  0001 on 3/26/2010, 16:29

That is true. But actions speak louder then words, and because these people do use fear, they play on others fears, and are simply spreading dissent and mockery, I can say 100% that God is NOT working through them, in this case. Because if he were, they wouldn't be saying the things they are, or going about it that way. But in general, you do raise a valid point.

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Post  80-0 on 3/26/2010, 17:11

If they don't use "fear tactics" (really, just pointing out what's in front of their faces), the American people won't understand Obama and what he's doing and why he's doing it.

You can't truly understand what Obama's doing and his reasons without fearing for the future of the country. I for one fear the country will be bankrupted by the centralization of Medicare. Did fear tactics make me do that? No. I simply know that Medicare is a failing system, and that giving a dying dog more food will only speed his demise.
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Post  Jedi Joe on 3/26/2010, 18:25

Yea, Glenn Beck asks us not to fear. He doesn't demand us to be afraid. He suggests that we turn to God for the answer, and that we should question everything we hear, with boldness.

The way you make it sound like, ABL, is that he is telling us to be afraid and that we should shoot our guns at politicians. And I, who watches him almost every day, know for a fact that he doesn't. The perspective changes when you "watch" him through New York Times or some whackjob liberal blogger.
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Post  80-0 on 3/27/2010, 04:46

Jedi Joe wrote:Yea, Glenn Beck asks us not to fear. He doesn't demand us to be afraid. He suggests that we turn to God for the answer, and that we should question everything we hear, with boldness.

The way you make it sound like, ABL, is that he is telling us to be afraid and that we should shoot our guns at politicians. And I, who watches him almost every day, know for a fact that he doesn't. The perspective changes when you "watch" him through New York Times or some whackjob liberal blogger.

^This.

Joe is right. No one would listen to any conservative if all they did was frighten people. Rush does a similar thing, he reminds us that Obama's policies can't possibly succeed and he and Mark Levin and Sean Hannity are constantly encouraging their massive audiences to take out their anger through the voting machines, but at the same time they are telling them to peacefully and fairly express their opinions if they feel the need to be heard.


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