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    Post  Jedi Joe on 10/15/2009, 13:54

    That's what I mean. It's unconstitutional. It goes against our country's standards. If these people want it so bad, we've got Canada and Europe for them to go move to.
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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/15/2009, 14:23

    Beautiful.

    Don't like it? Move yer sheebs to Canada/europe!
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    Post  Jedi Joe on 10/15/2009, 15:35

    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:...sheebs...

    And to think he was calling us nerdy...
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    Don't like it...

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/15/2009, 19:56

    Who says you have to be a socialized country to have a national healthcare system and this is creating to much upset by people which if you want a say in it write your state legislator.

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    Post  Jedi Joe on 10/15/2009, 20:05

    It's just the fact that it would hurt our economy. Look how the Cash 4 Clunkers program crashed and burned, look how much worse healthcare will be...
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    We need to be...

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/15/2009, 20:10

    I think America should use isolationism where we export stuff but import less so we can be more self-dependent causing more jobs.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/16/2009, 04:08

    Jedi Joe wrote:
    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:...sheebs...

    And to think he was calling us nerdy...

    well.... I didn't want to say a$$....

    And the cash4clunkers program was the only thing Obama has accomplished. At all.

    It definatly could of been worse, and that's a huge
    plus side for our government.
    We can get into it if you'd like... Or make a topic about it, even though it's been awhile.
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    Post  Jedi Joe on 10/16/2009, 06:56

    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:
    And the cash4clunkers program was the only thing Obama has accomplished. At all.

    Are you kidding? Barely any dealerships have gotten their money back from the government.
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    Isolationism

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/16/2009, 10:31

    This way we would use more domestic products. Other places then couldn't have much influence on America.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/16/2009, 14:23

    Well, that's true, but it did get cash flowing for awhile... Course, I know in doesn't really matter since the money never came....

    Plus... It ruined some perfectly good cars that my generation Is going to want to buy to drive....
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    We need to redevelop

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/17/2009, 18:52

    We need to redevelop more than just healthcare yeah economics as in CEO bonuses which should go to non-profits instead. I don't see any republican progress so all we are doing is resisting eachother. Why not stop talking and start taking action write a congressmen etc.

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    My family...

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/17/2009, 21:15

    My family might not have health insurance if my dad did not get it through his former employer. My dad's current employer wants to provide health insurance but it's really expensive. And where my mom works the health insurance is even more expensive. We don't even have dental insurance. So we can agree something needs to happen to the health care system. Most of these people complaining have good health insurance so STOP IT! This really shows something needs to happen. I really think something needs to happen. So I have seen the other side of this debate.

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    Post  Jedi Joe on 10/17/2009, 21:41

    My family doesn't have health insurance, and we hate the idea of free healthcare. The economy will destroy itself completely if it passes.
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    Yeah but it's not completely free

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/18/2009, 12:44

    The healthcare program is not supposed to make the healthcare free. This system is supposed to allow cheaper rates forcing insurance companies to lower their costs.

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    Post  Jedi Joe on 10/18/2009, 12:47

    Oh yes, the Republicans' alternative healthcare reform. I agree with their idea.
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    Yeah theirs isn't...

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/18/2009, 12:49

    The rebublican healthcare system isn't fully developed either. Neither side really has a plan right now.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/19/2009, 00:44

    Doesn't matter if there is a plan or if it's goin to work.... Obama and the rest of the democrats are going to push it through the system (which is majority for democrats) and then it will be put into affect and then the whole thing will fail, the ecnomy will tank as people who formaly had insurance loses theirs, or has it taken away because the insurance companies are going to lose money. People will actually die and then people will finally leave the country.
    I wish I was kidding, but it's something I seriously consider doing in my life.
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    You don't want another depression

    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/19/2009, 16:36

    You don't want another depression to happen to the world? We need a plan not from either of the democrats (yes I am one) or republicans but a combined program in which causes people to have cheaper healthcare and allows everyone cheaper healthcare. This plan should not increase the national debt. We should cut useless spending example when I was at a campground in the middle of nowhere and there was a poll group there and it was a sunday night and there were two groups of people there another group and us and we couldn't take the poll since we were not leaving. One thing we could do is get in fewer wars.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/20/2009, 23:59

    So, in other words, just move to Canada and you would be happy.....
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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/21/2009, 07:15

    No but you people against changing healthcare in anyway even just putting low prices on insurance can move to Canada. We could acually have this healthcare system if we hadn't started the war in Iraq or Afganistan. We would have funding for many things and let us stop this stupid move somewhere else idea.

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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/26/2009, 22:04

    So by ending our war we can cover more people with insurance or give ourselves education. So I think we figure out a healthcare system and yes a country can remain a democracy with national healthcare and by having a few socialized things doesn't mess up a democracy.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/29/2009, 00:08

    I like how our counrty was before Obama and this resession. There wasn't anything horribly wrong with it. HOWEVER, the move to Canada thing.... I'm not kidding. If you think these countries you are using as an example are so great, move to them.

    But you won't... Because you are an ameican and yu like your freedom. Doncha?
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    Post  0001 on 10/29/2009, 21:13

    Just to bring this back on topic, I have recently changed my mind, I am now for the idea of Socializd healthcare. Now take note I said IDEA, not this garbag they are working on passing now. Now before you screa "Socialist!" or "Commie" or "Un-Amercian", let me point out some details we recently covered in economics. My Economics teacher is unique in that he tries to be unbiased as possible, and trys to exlain it how it is. And we talked abot Socialism, TRUE Socialism. And all you guys yell BAD! DIE! whenever it comes up, and like Egg said, it's not a dirty word. Plus, we ALREADY have many socialist structures that we all are grateful for. But first let me define "Socialism" in a strctly economic sense: Socialism describes a product or service that all people in a society must pay for, and that all people in that society have the right to use. Now with that in mind, let me point out or current socialist structures:

    -The U.S. Military, we all pay for it, and it serves us all.
    -Police and Fire services, same story.
    -Public, and state-funded schools.
    -Our Government, both state and federal.
    -My very own Search and Rescue.
    -City owned utilities.
    -And many others.

    Now doesn't it make sense that are health should be the same way? I mean, imagine if there was a fire, and the fire department woudn't come because you hadn't payed for them to come, or because you payed a different firehouse that was out of their jurisdiction. Or imagine you are being muggged, and a police officer cannot help you, because you did not pay HIS company for HIS service. IT makes no sense. Capitalism has it's place, but public services, like health, should be socialist, simply because of the nature of what they are. Wink

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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/29/2009, 21:47

    Education is socialism

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    Post  0001 on 10/29/2009, 21:56

    Cpt. Crinkle wrote:Education is socialism

    Yessir, one of many things we encounter every day.

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