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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/29/2009, 23:02

    The real problem with doing this with healthcare, is that the magnitude and personal level healthcare is on. We like to go see OUR doctors, right?
    That will go away.... The doctors will become seriously underpaid, and the demand for medical experts and dotors will drop. There is SOO much money involved in healthcare, our taxes will SPIKE. It will be crazy, we will have to pay more so you can get less.
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    Post  0001 on 10/30/2009, 16:07

    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:The real problem with doing this with healthcare, is that the magnitude and personal level healthcare is on. We like to go see OUR doctors, right?
    That will go away.... The doctors will become seriously underpaid, and the demand for medical experts and dotors will drop. There is SOO much money involved in healthcare, our taxes will SPIKE. It will be crazy, we will have to pay more so you can get less.

    Yeah, there are a lot of practical problems, all because of the system we already have in place. I guess it would be better to state that, if a country was theoretically starting from scratch, then they should seriously consider it. But in our case, I'm not sure what the true answer is, because of the sheer complexity of the issue.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 10/31/2009, 00:34

    My point exactly
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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 10/31/2009, 09:55

    Something needs to happen to insurance industry with it being so expensive though.

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    Post  Sgt Angry Egg on 10/31/2009, 13:39

    The only way all the kinks in that system would be fixed would be if we tried it, and then we would have a motive to try and find a way to fix all the problems.
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    Post  0001 on 11/1/2009, 13:13

    Sgt Angry Egg wrote:The only way all the kinks in that system would be fixed would be if we tried it, and then we would have a motive to try and find a way to fix all the problems.

    Yeah, but what would be the best way to do that do you think? I mean for obvious reasons you can't just up and overhaul a system like that, it'd have to be changed over time, slowly methinks, right? scratch

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/1/2009, 23:31

    YESYESYESYES.
    something Obama hasn't QUITE figured out yet...

    Or ALL democrats honestly, even crinkle.
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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/2/2009, 20:06

    Yes, I am trying to figure this out but we do need to lower insurance costs at least. And what have Republicans done? Wait, They sit there doing nothing. No wonder I would be called a liberal is because sometimes we do need to change some laws or government services.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/2/2009, 21:55

    They don't 'sit and wait' Even if they do, thats WAY better than rushing headlong into who knows what.
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    Post  0001 on 11/3/2009, 20:20

    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:They don't 'sit and wait' Even if they do, thats WAY better than rushing headlong into who knows what.


    Yeah, that statement actually has a lot of truth in MANY situations. Razz But yeah, not a good idea to rush into any major decisions, but also, it's not good to wait too long either. You got to stick to that fine line in the middle.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/3/2009, 22:55

    Yeah, but then everyone thinks you are a pushover and wont listen to you anyways. Razz Razz
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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/4/2009, 16:18

    My idea of the healthcare is the government forcibly pushes the prices of insurance down. Allowing more people to buy and pay for insurance.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/4/2009, 21:24

    That goes completely against everything us Americans are supposed to believe. The beginning of the end. (Joe, egg... Back me up)
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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/5/2009, 16:24

    Well I have to say many of us can afford healthcare but the best choice I can think of is set limits insurance companies can charge and the amount of benefits insurance companies have to put in an insurance package.


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    Post  Sgt Angry Egg on 11/5/2009, 16:41

    Sorry, powned. No can do. Price ceilings are common in America, usually when it comes to utilities because it's best to have only one utility company per town, so they aren't laying multiple water lines in the same streets. But they are also seen in the 'normal' market, such as crops. There are price limits on wheat, for example, to protect farmers and ensure they always have a motive to grow more.
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    Post  0001 on 11/5/2009, 21:54

    @Egg: Exactly, although where these applications are useful kind of depends on specific variables. But I'm majoring in Economics, and you hit it right on. As for their implementation in healthcare, I think it could work, maybe. IF it was well and thoroughly thought out. Wink

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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/6/2009, 15:28

    Well I think politics are annoying.


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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/6/2009, 18:15

    ARE annoying. not is annoying.
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    Post  0001 on 11/7/2009, 13:01

    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:ARE annoying. not is annoying.

    VERY true Powned, VERY true indeed... Razz

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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/7/2009, 15:42

    I'm sorry about saying that John. Here are pros and cons of the debate.
    Pros
    -People need to get healthcare and many cannot afford it.
    -Everyone needs healthcare.
    -Sometimes health insurance doesn't cover everything.
    Cons
    -Some people don't get better because of no healthcare.
    -Costs lots of money.
    -Would increase debt of country.

    So we at least need to do something about our poor quality of healthcare for the poor of this country.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/7/2009, 18:09

    That was the worst pro/con list I have ever seen... I'm pretty sure a pro/con list can't even apply in that situation can it?
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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/7/2009, 20:02

    I was showing some simple reasons of both sides why we should or why we shouldn't remodel the healthcare system.

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    Post  PoWn3d_0704 on 11/7/2009, 20:53

    That wasn't a view of both sides... Shocked
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    Post  0001 on 11/8/2009, 11:56

    PoWn3d_0704 wrote:That wasn't a view of both sides... Shocked

    It was a decent start. The problem as I have earlier stated (and many of you have) is that the situation is so kriffin complex for a band aid "fix all". Something should be done yes, but as to what and how, these are questions the entire nation is pondering and cannot find the answer to. Everything is just inter-connected and established, that it makes the mind numb just TRYING to figure it all out.

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    Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/8/2009, 13:23

    Well it did give reasons from both sides and socialism is a good system. You are not researching the extra services socialist countries get.

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