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Post  80-0 on 7/2/2010, 08:39

astoriabluelegos wrote: Yeah, Joe does have a very good point there, and I do agree completly with it. Haha 80-0 I'm not sure it's socialism to blame, although I will admit that was is happening is similer to socialist principles. However in true socialism, the people are the ones that are supposed to be reaping the benefits, in this odd skewed version.....of whatever you want to call it.......the big corporations and greed tycoons are the ones reaping the reward. So it's not really socialism per se, but some freaky hybrid thing that runaway genetecists created in a lab somehwere in China or North Korea. Razz

No no no no no no no!!!!!

Socialism is never a successful system, it has never been successful, and it never will be. The thing is, if you don't like "greedy corporations", then you can't agree with socialism OR capitalism. With capitalism, everyone has a chance to make their own business. With socialism on the other hand, everyone has a chance to work for the government, which in the instance of socialism OWNS the corporations and gets the profits from them, and at the same time controls the people. So unless your socialist government is made up of thoroughly perfect people who can never make a mistake or do something not in the best interest of the people and use the public money put in their hands through socialism for their own private interest, you can't succeed with socialism.

People say capitalism puts the money of the many in the hands of the few. Not so! Listen here, because THIS PART IS IMPORTANT:

The reason socialism is so nefarious is because the common folk who supposedly benefit from socialism are forced to pay taxes to the government. And if they don't pay? They are fined. If they don't pay the fine on TOP of the tax? They go to prison.

Does this happen in capitalism? No, and let me explain why. In capitalism, the "greedy corporations" produce a product and cater it to the people. They don't force the people to buy this product. If the people collectively dislike the product and the corporation, the easiest way to take the corporation down is to not purchase their product. Then they lose money, lose profits, and decrease in size.

HOWEVER. In socialism, the corporations are under the thumb of the government which means if the government wants the people to buy a certain product to keep a certain government-run corporation in business, the government can use the same means it uses for extraction of tax revenue from the people.
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 7/2/2010, 15:44

Um this society is neither as it has components of both. And don't complain we're too strict other countries are way more strict.

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Post  80-0 on 7/8/2010, 06:23

Cpt. Crinkle wrote:Um this society is neither as it has components of both. And don't complain we're too strict other countries are way more strict.

So that's an excuse for just being strict, period, because someone else is being REALLY strict? That's the excuse for all wrongdoing, that someone else is doing it to a greater scale than I am. Neutral
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 7/8/2010, 22:22

You realize we are not strict it's the same with every president everyone criticizes the current people in office.

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Post  80-0 on 7/10/2010, 05:41

The point is, socialism WOULD BE and IS stricter than capitalism. Capitalism would only be so strict as to keep businesses from falling into corruption and whatnot. Socialism would make sure ANY practice the government did not approve of did not happen at all, limiting the corporation's freedom to expand. For example, a corporation might produce some new items and expand what they have for sale to gain more revenue and become more successful, but in socialism, NOPE! There's a corporation for everything under socialism, and the government will keep you going as long as you do and sell exactly what the government wants, and no more and no less.

So again, I reiterate: under socialism, you the common person are limited to buying a given product from the corporation specified for that sale. While in capitalism, you can shop around for the higher quality and the lower prices...

You can also say that in capitalism too, people who offer important items for sale could increase the price to disproportionate amounts. But really, this nation is constantly importing products, and any other corporation can pick up on this item and sell it for a more agreeable price.

And of course, once this corporation picks up on the item, the common people STOP buying the product from the expensive corporation and START buying it from the fair corporation. Which means that once the expensive corporation starts losing money, they will either lower their prices and regain customers, or take such heavy losses that they have to go out of business definitively.

It's not a perfect system, because nothing here is perfect, but it's not so blatantly imperfect as socialism.
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Post  0001 on 7/12/2010, 23:28

Actually 80-0, I wasn't making an argument for socialism, I was merely stating that it has never been implemented as it was designed, because as you pointed out, it relies on a system where people are perfect. Laughing I agree with you, Capitalism isn't the best, but it's better then any of the other options.

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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 7/13/2010, 10:00

Straight capitalism would be hard to survive as you have to pay for everyone as it is really a greed driven system on it's own with a full mixture of government philosophies this is better for the overall preserving of America.

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Post  0001 on 7/13/2010, 16:18

Yeah pretty much.

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