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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/17/2010, 21:55

So why do some Christians believe that you can only be considered Christian if you are a member of the Republican Party? That is aboslutly stupid because Christians can be where ever they want party wise as long as they Believe that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the Living God. Also as long as beliefs follow Christian values then they are Christian. People are very interesting sometimes.

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Post  80-0 on 11/19/2010, 06:48

I believe that, with reservations.

Whoever said that was more than likely referencing the unfortunate fact that the Democrat party is currently the party of abortion and thus one of the largest proponents of the Culture of Death. Thus, if in order one is to be a good Christian one must oppose abortion, euthanasia, etc., he must also oppose the Democrats. I think that's the idea. I don't think he's trying to say "Obama's agenda is evil and anti-Christian", no, only certain aspects, which I mentioned, are decidedly anti-Christian.

So it's not a political thing, it's a moral thing. If you value life more than you value "free healthcare" or "social security" or what have you, you'll probably become a Republican.

That's my thoughts.
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Post  0001 on 11/21/2010, 17:40

I'm not so sure, I left the Republican Party because they are innately close minded and really only care about defeating the Democrats, not actually running the country. I think TRUE Christians are moderates because they base all decisions on prayer and proven Biblical teachings, not mob mentality and party affiliation.

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Post  80-0 on 11/21/2010, 18:50

That may be true about a good deal of Republicans, but it's also unfortunately true of Democrats as well; how often did we hear during the last two years during elections and whatnot "How can we possibly elect the same people that got us into this mess? Republicans are evil hatemongers."

Of course it's important to focus on principles. But principles are not everything in politics. Once you have decided on your principles, the rest is, well, politics. That's the problem, but it's also the system we have to work with. We can't say "Well I'm going to decide for myself and sit off in a corner and be myself, because I don't like either parties." I'm not saying join one or the other, I'm saying that indecisiveness accomplishes less than blatant decisiveness. Two extremes on one scale, you might say.

The more I talk about this, the more I realize I understand less and less of it. It's easier to explain beliefs based on morals and principles, but the politics of it make it all confusing. Razz
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Post  0001 on 11/21/2010, 18:55

I agree with pretty much everything you just stated there 80-0, politics is a mess and indecisiveness is worse then overt decisiveness. Yeah politics are a mess, the problem with it is the world is not as simple as we would like it to be, and most politicians fail to comprehend the magnitude of it.

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Post  80-0 on 11/21/2010, 19:01

I know, right? I find I can explain my beliefs easily when you coordinate it with principles, but when you get into the politics of it, yes, it is a mess. We can only pray to God to ask for clarity in a very cloudy world.
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Post  0001 on 11/21/2010, 19:03

Very wise words indeed, I mean really that is all you can do.

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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/22/2010, 08:11

To be a good Christian one does not have to have the same values or ideals as you 80-0. Here is one difference I am protestant and you are Catholic that opens a huge gap already. One thing that is more important than following the corruptions of both parties is to follow your belief. As it says in my denominations Affirmation of faith: I believe that Jesus is the Christ, son of the Living God, my personal Lord and Savior. That is what I base my faith off so this creates a huge gap as in what we believe yet we both believe in Jesus and I still will never go to the Republicans but Independent sounds nice.

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Post  80-0 on 11/22/2010, 08:19

Cpt. Crinkle wrote:To be a good Christian one does not have to have the same values or ideals as you 80-0. Here is one difference I am protestant and you are Catholic that opens a huge gap already. One thing that is more important than following the corruptions of both parties is to follow your belief. As it says in my denominations Affirmation of faith: I believe that Jesus is the Christ, son of the Living God, my personal Lord and Savior. That is what I base my faith off so this creates a huge gap as in what we believe yet we both believe in Jesus and I still will never go to the Republicans but Independent sounds nice.

I'm not saying you have to be a Republican, or you can't be an independent, I'm saying it doesn't look good to say "I'm Mr. Christian" and then say "I'm Mr. Democrat". Razz

For example, let me turn the tables in an analogy:

If the Republicans were the party of abortion, and the Democrats were the party of moral values, but the Democrats STILL stood for what is in my view socialism and blah blah blah and Republicans are still capitalists, then I would still stand for moral values and stand against socialism. I wouldn't be a Republican and would oppose people who support abortion, even if it means not voting as often as I'd like.

That's why abortion and euthanasia and whatnot are so annoying: I wish they could just disappear: then it would be easy to say "I'm a Democrat" or "I'm a Republican".

I was just highlighting the reason why some people are Republicans and not Democrats even though they may not be %100 capitalist as opposed to socialist. Wink
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Post  0001 on 11/22/2010, 10:22

80-0, you do know that a true core Christian would be a Communist/Socialist right? Because Communism and Socialism in their pure original forms believe that everyone pays the same and receives the same from the government, which is in Christ's teachings. Capitalism is based on greed and building up one's wealth here on earth. Now I'm not saying I'm a socialist or a communist, because of how corrupt humans are those systems would never actually work. But one thing I really hate is ignorant Republicans who claim to be Christians yelling Socialist and Communist as if it were a bad thing, in reality those systems are closer to Christian teachings then capitalism ever was. Now in practice it's a different story, I'm talking theoretically. Wink

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Post  0027 on 11/22/2010, 22:32

I totally totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! With you that is, ABL!
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Post  0001 on 11/23/2010, 13:07

Haha thanks Sergeant, I knew you had a good head on your shoulders. Smile

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Post  0027 on 11/23/2010, 15:11

I try!!
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Post  0001 on 11/23/2010, 21:22

Always a good way to be.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 11/23/2010, 22:13

Unfortunately neither party stands totally for Christian values...

Democrats don't encourage good stewardship with your money, but Republicans apparently don't believe that we as people need to keep the planet clean.

One plots massive spending and economic crisis, and the other plots an energy crisis. Pick your poison.
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Post  0001 on 11/23/2010, 22:19

Joe, you explain and understand perfectly the problem we now face. With people like you I feel there may be hope for humanity. Too bad politicians can't be as sensible, then we wouldn't be in the messes we frequently find ourselves in.

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Post  Jedi Joe on 11/23/2010, 22:34

I never plan on being a politician, though...

I really hope that another movement comes up, though, promoting a free-market solution to alternative energies, but also cutting spending and all the other bells and whistles that comes with the Tea Party.
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Post  0001 on 11/23/2010, 22:39

Yeah all we can do is hope and pray that we can solve these problems. I never plan on being a politician either, as the C.A.A. is my life and my mission.

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Post  80-0 on 11/25/2010, 07:18

astoriabluelegos wrote: 80-0, you do know that a true core Christian would be a Communist/Socialist right? Because Communism and Socialism in their pure original forms believe that everyone pays the same and receives the same from the government, which is in Christ's teachings. Capitalism is based on greed and building up one's wealth here on earth. Now I'm not saying I'm a socialist or a communist, because of how corrupt humans are those systems would never actually work. But one thing I really hate is ignorant Republicans who claim to be Christians yelling Socialist and Communist as if it were a bad thing, in reality those systems are closer to Christian teachings then capitalism ever was. Now in practice it's a different story, I'm talking theoretically. Wink

Communism and socialism would only work if everyone were Christian. Because although everyone pays the same and receive the same from the government, that means there's no incentive to excel. Now this is a wordly argument, I know, but this is America we're talking about. America has made itself what it is not through socialism or Communism but through capitalism! Capitalism is not necessarily based on greed; you could want to excel at your job to help others, or to give your excess money to charity.

What I'm basically saying is that if everyone were Christian, had the same core values, etc., capitalism would work 'cos no greed and social/communism would work 'cos everyone would be content.

But in America we believe everyone has equal rights to certain freedoms; also they have the right, or opportunity, to make a living for themselves. That is what is so important about America that most other countries don't have. I can't explain it very well; I need to re-read The Conservative Manifesto. Razz
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Post  Cpt. Crinkle on 11/26/2010, 09:55

Yes, as you can see in the book Tortured for Christ only if all people were Christian would that work out otherwise one group would become the one of focused attacks. The communist governments did this against Christians yet they showed love back to their tortuers.

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Post  0001 on 11/27/2010, 18:42

@ 80-0: Oh yes I agree completely. I was speaking in theoretical sense, while you are referring to reality. In reality Capitalism (Even with it's many and large flaws) is best because it has the freedom for people to excel and make their own way. Which means those of us who want to help humanity, have the ability to amass money and then give it away.

@ Crinkle: Very true indeed, it appears you know you're stuff.

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Post  0027 on 11/28/2010, 18:50

I'm fairly sure that i will be an independent when I'm 18, mostly because I don't really want to support either side because I disagree with both of them. Both of them are way to focused on beating eachother. It doesn't seem like they care about the nation, just about knocking eachother down. Lame.
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Post  Jedi Joe on 11/28/2010, 20:16

I'm going to register Republican ONLY so I can vote in the primaries, but after that, I'm going to register as an Independent.
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Post  0001 on 11/28/2010, 22:31

@ Malus: EXACTLY! That's what peeves me so much about politics these days, it's no longer about running the country it's now just about beating the other side and making them look bad. As you said, lame.

@ Joe: Haha yeah that's a good plan.

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Post  0027 on 11/29/2010, 10:56

Ya it's kinda lame independents can't vote in the primaries. That's like the worst part.
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